Boy do I have a story for you about this person. Ever met someone so far up their ass it hurts?
This thing joined our non-tour casual MVM because apparently it's friend wanted to play with him. The first thing this person started doing was going on about how "no-one else can play sniper, I main him. Get off sniper, that class is mine"
Next came the "All these other people are garbage" section of my wonderful playtime with this person. Brushed up with a nice topping of "Well, you wasted my time asking me to play. I was in a call with popular youtubers*.
Not to mention that the entire time, the chat was filled to the entire brim with shitty binds. Followed by "Excuse me, I'm a competitive player, this is my career"
He then spent the next 10 straight minutes, berating the friend about how "wasting his time with f2p" and "I only came because you begged me to"
slightly par videos, horrible person to ever encounter in TF2
Beginner | BertsTheName: how do you do these turns?
Skilled | Vecc | tipofthehats.org: with your mouse probably
Beginner | BertsTheName: lol
Amateur | Garnifled: you fucking f*ggot
Mike. O The Psycho : VECC IS UNSTUMPABLE"(TEAM)
Ploops : oh shit vecc you're getting some pussy pic tonight"
3:57 PM - Cobalt: do you have a strange vaccidentor named the veccinator
speedboat : coba is hacking
speedboat : hacky hacky hacking
no name : vecc dont cheat
no name : hes too good
no name : cheaters get always too good
no name : vecc is a cheater
chona : vecc report
Badshots : vecc is pure skill what are you saying
captaincernal : FUCK YOU WITH A BIG BLACK D111K SNIPRRR
LegoBooJohn : vecc i can see your trigger bot m9
Spookeliah : yo vecc u cheatin
Spookeliah : succ
LegoBooJohn : legit dude your cheating.
Merasmissions are broken shit : Vecc, maybe switch off your aimbots before you taunt people
Merasmissions are broken shit : ? ???
cpc Soul : Nice to see your aimbot hits cloak and dagger spies
K.I.L.L.E.R ZONE : ikr he is hax vecc is hax
cpc Soul : hs me Vecc
cpc Soul : I dare ya xD
ExcalibuRR : this sonofabitch pussy ass hacker
hollandese : like the dude has over 40 points better than your best player u really think he isn't hacking
K.I.L.L.E.R ZONE : no gr you stupid fuck vecc u h
*DEAD* Johnny Cockring : lol vecc
Johnny Cockring : get a life
Johnny Cockring : wallhacking doucher
? : vecc your cosmetics bring out your eyes
DEAD Jamie :heavy_check_mark: : im conviced raver is aimbotting
DEAD Jamie :heavy_check_mark: : been recording this whole time
DEAD Jamie :heavy_check_mark: : check my utube in like 2 hrs
raver stay wif me : k
raver stay wif me : tweet it at me
raver stay wif me : @kkvecc
DEAD LawrenceMynes : You do not have perfect aim like that asshole
DEAD LawrenceMynes : Yeah that sandy sniper's hacking
Call Of Duty: White Ops II : that seemed like aimbot stake witches
DEAD Charles II of Autism : skate has aimbot
DEAD DJdarkness48 : SKATE IS HACKING
DEAD DJdarkness48 : TIME TO DOX
Salazardodger77 : SOMEONE ON THE RED TEAM KICK WITCH]
God himself has found: The Brass Beast
TRASHMASTER42069GOAT : hes hacking
DEAD Affinity : witch isnt hacking
TRASHMASTER42069GOAT : lmao
Affinity : whats your problem
Salazardodger77 : SOMEONE BAN WITCH HE HAS AIMBOT
Salazardodger77 : someone sprctate witch i think he has hacks
!s
DEAD Hype : yikes
DEAD Hype : pretty rave boy does aimbot good game guys
DEAD keeondeu : dude is vecc hacking
DEAD keeondeu : or is he actually that good
Azuredrake99 : Vecc seems pretty fishy
Vecc : what sort of fish
DEAD Azuredrake99 : The kind that shouldn't be able
Azuredrake99 : I notice Vecc switched right after I said something
DEAD Boogly : vecc is hacking
? vecc ? : :D
Boogly : kick him red?
DEAD ???? : is witch hacking or good>?
SpookLuke was automatically assigned to team BLU
DEAD ???? : not sure yet
???? : witch i dont believe ur that good u must be hacking
???? : can anyone confirm
???? : if he is indeed hacking do u mind voting him off
Rain Dog : I'm a little iffy about him. Watch his screen, blus.
DEAD Chairman Joseph Stalin : tip of the hats it hacking
Timber : I saw you look down the main path, and as soon as I crossed an open window I was headshotted by you
DEAD Timber : I believe ? has aimbot
Timber : I'm just trying to point out that you insta headshotted me while looking in a different direction
Ike Ssj 239 : you guys have a hack
DEAD StraFe : ayy cant dodge a crit but can use a script
The 4th party Jazz : hadnt heard of the pit before
Danny DeVito from Afghanistan : no hacks at all ther
The 4th party Jazz : it wont be long before that one oblivios play calls a vote kick
DEAD Innocentbystander2K16 : dang
(Voice) Vecc | tipofthehats.org: MEDIC!
DEAD Innocentbystander2K16 : ur sniper too good
Innocentbystander2K16 : i think vec i\
DEAD Majes : Vecc I dislike you.
Vecc :o3 ? : u actually suck
DEAD Amazon Echo (Alexa) : so aimbot?
Vecc :o3 ? : ROFL
Amazon Echo (Alexa) : :/
Amazon Echo (Alexa) : hmmm
Amazon Echo (Alexa) left the game (Disconnect by user.)
DEAD Buckwheat : bye vecc, fuck you
DEAD legoaidanjames : does vecc have aimbot?
DEAD wickedplayer494 : AIMBOT ALARM
8:46 PM - Vecc: DEAD The Italian Mafia : NO U DIDNT
(Voice) Pugly: MEDIC!
DEAD The Italian Mafia : VECC IS AIMBOTTING
DEAD The Italian Mafia : KEK IM
*DEAD* lil death : BECAUSE THEY SNIPER MAIN AND SUCK ASS EXECPT FOR VECC\
DefensiveFront : oh great we got the chad sniper with a pocket medic crammed up his prostate on the other team :/
DefensiveFront : welp time to leave
Vecc : hello mate
DEAD [TotH] Getawhale | tipofthehats.org : keep sniping forever
[TotH] Getawhale | tipofthehats.org : hey dudes i'm vecc, i just turned 15 this week so happy birthday to me
DEAD lakittyboo : vecc are u cheating
lakittyboo : nah youre cheating
DEAD lakittyboo : stop with the cheats plz
DEAD 4GiVeN4eVeR : vecc been reported
DEAD 4GiVeN4eVeR : i record the game.. yes he is play back and send to vac fk u
DEAD 4GiVeN4eVeR : cheating bitch die
DEAD dawn.ohara : VECC THE FUCK YOU ONE SHOT ME
DEAD dawn.ohara : I HAD FULL
DEAD dawn.ohara : Vecc fuck you
DEAD dawn.ohara : Boi 300 damage stock sniper shot
dawn.ohara : it does 150 head
dawn.ohara : no you cheatin whore
dawn.ohara : ive seen you hackin before
dawn.ohara : Sniper pointed down
dawn.ohara : at ground and said easy wins
dawn.ohara : stfu who the hell says that 10 year old
dawn.ohara : stars its you turn on your mic and tell me how im ugly
dawn.ohara : They was doin that earlier
DEAD Someone Else : blu kick vecc
Someone Else : vecc is hacking
(TEAM) ruy343 : I've watched vexx, and havne'ts een anythign yet.. but I don't die often...
DEAD Someone Else : vecc is a hacker
DEAD Reggie : ok aimbot
DEAD Reggie : sucking dicks all day huh
Reggie : hes using aimbot
DEAD Dwight Schroot : liv rav3
:heart:.-LIL RAV3 BOY-.:heart: : :smiley:
Reggie : lil rave boy or whatever that gay ass name is
Reggie : uh blu you gotta kick that guy
DEAD Reggie : lol lemme record this for my youtube channel xd
Reggie : soooooo nobody is gonna kick the fag on blu?
tee mAny marTo0nies : vecc is/was a cheater
tee mAny marTo0nies : caught him cheating before
Avin24693 / TRADEIT.GG : i am sure vecc after u kill me u spam no abuse that taunt button
DEAD brantly.carpenter2000 : kick vecc thier hacking
DEAD These arent my glasses.. : lol
DEAD These arent my glasses.. : please kick vecc
These arent my glasses.. : vecc perfectly tracks invis spies
These arent my glasses.. : talk about obvious botting
These arent my glasses.. left the game (Disconnect by user.)
These arent my glasses.. : vecc cheats, therefore they are gay
DEAD behold my 84 watermelons : hey uhh red
DEAD behold my 84 watermelons : can you kick your hacker
Starscramblr : Who?
behold my 84 watermelons : the sniper on the 22 killstreak
DEAD Flipjam : baby baby is a degenerate
DEAD Flipjam : end your worthless life f*ggot
DEAD Oak : nya is using anti backstab cheat possibly
DEAD Oak : kick nya
DEAD Oak : cheating
DEAD Oak : no doubt
Oak : i can killl him
Oak : hes using aim assist
DEAD Oak : nya saw me incis
DEAD Oak : invis
DEAD Oak : kick em
DEAD Oak : no way
DEAD Taco_Picoso : hey men wtf
DEAD Taco_Picoso : that soldier have aimbot
DEAD Taco_Picoso : see vecc have aimbot
DEAD Taco_Picoso : he dont lose a shot
DEAD Fujiwara Tofu : nice aimbot vecc you fuckin n*gger
King Buggy : vecc is a negger
rjsp224 : how did you get a headshot so fast?
DEAD VexingChimera88 : yep vecc is tryharding so bad
DEAD VexingChimera88 : vecc is drunk tryhard
DEAD Pootispants : god fucking vecc is such a loser tryhard
DEAD VexingChimera88 : tryhard vecc god damm
DEAD VexingChimera88 : VECC GO GET DRUNK SOMEWHERE ELSE
DEAD VexingChimera88 : VECC WONT DIE
DEAD VexingChimera88 : 2 hits from original is broken\
DEAD VexingChimera88 : vecc has a bot
DEAD VexingChimera88 : hes 2 hitting peopel
DEAD VexingChimera88 : no you have bot
Salt : vecc i muted u
DEAD kinglaffing123 : bodyshot master = vecc
Taco_Picoso : with a aimbother why not they are going to win
Galaxy : vecc do you aimbot?
DEAD Taco_Picoso : vecc is the aimbother
*DEAD* Taco_Picoso : see the fucking aimbot
Veteran | Dex: atleast i dont spend all my life in bhop and bully random people that insults others while theyre just behing nice and awnserin
Veteran | Dex: poletly
DEAD Drageth : no way
DEAD Drageth : dude vecc is sus
DEAD Iulii & Arnold : HAKETR
beardedexpenseugly : who?
Iulii & Arnold : VECC
Iulii & Arnold : I WEN I FLY HE HEADED ME
DEAD Iulii & Arnold : HAKWER
DEAD Iulii & Arnold : KICK EM
beardedexpenseugly : kick arnold blue team
(Voice) HA-sorry-bro: Help!
DEAD Iulii & Arnold : NO
vecc : arnold hackwer
DEAD Iulii & Arnold : KICK UR SELF
DEAD Iulii & Arnold : BITCH
beardedexpenseugly : arnold is hacking
DEAD Iulii & Arnold : NO
DEAD Iulii & Arnold : LIER
beardedexpenseugly : arnold is a known hacker
vecc : arnold uses kulttech.neocities.net
Iulii & Arnold : NO
Iulii & Arnold : VECC = GAY STUDINT
beardedexpenseugly : He's a known hacker and racist
DEAD Iulii & Arnold : NO
Iulii & Arnold : VECC = GAY RED TEAM
Iulii & Arnold : VECC
mrethansd has earned the achievement Doc Holiday
Iulii & Arnold : VECC
Iulii & Arnold : VECC
Iulii & Arnold : KICK UR SELF BITCH
vecc : i kick ur mom ass
Iulii & Arnold : IF I KILL U UR GAY LIKE UR MOM S ASSHOLE
Iulii & Arnold : THX BUT UER UGLY AND STPUPID
Iulii & Arnold : RED MORE LIKE MORON S ASS
DEAD Iulii & Arnold : SNIPER MORE LIKE DIPER
DEAD hunter.yolo : hes just trolling maybe
vecc : arnold u got owned
vecc : noob
Iulii & Arnold : NAH U
Iulii & Arnold : BITCH
Iulii & Arnold : AND UR A DIPER IF U R A SNIPER
DEAD Iulii & Arnold : VECC SAID THAT HES MOM IS GAY
Iulii & Arnold : HEY VECC WHY R U GAY BECAUSE MEDICS R GAY
Iulii & Arnold left the game (Disconnect by user.)
MICHAELPC3 : nice 29 body shots n*gger
highwaystar : vecc = hacker
highwaystar : now ban
Comvic : what is even the point when the 100k kill sniper is here tho
bruh : vecc = hax
Mixer276 : quit being such a tryhard vecc lol
Justin : Vecc is a tryharding noob. Get no life, no i'm not salty just giving the facts, good luck trying to get married, heavenhelpthem
astoroz08 : vecc do you understand freindlys or not
astoroz08 : vecc... I SWAER TO GOD IM FREINDLY
DEAD Idiots POV : lol nice hacks
vecc : LOL
DEAD Idiots POV : literally fucking shooting me through walls
DEAD Idiots POV : you retarded fucking f*ggot
DEAD Bully2shoes : WHAT THE VECC
Demoman Team Fortress 2 : vecc would you not, congrats rat you are good and all but just dont use your skill on friendlys
Orange : time to shardinfoid on some peaple
Demoman Team Fortress 2 : dude vecc, you need to chill out, and go play comp because you do not understand hightower culture
please fuck : yo red kick vec for hacking
please fuck : vecc is hacking
SPEC The Supreme Comander : nisiquiera te apunta a la cabeza wtf
*SPEC* The Supreme Comander : weon si usa jacks
*SPEC* θ : vecc is a toxic assholy
*SPEC* θ : asshole
*SPEC* θ : tpyical sniper main
The Supreme Comander : nos vale verga vecc esos años son mentira y lo sabes xd
θ : vecc shut your stupid ass up
The Supreme Comander : usa aimbot el puto
ragna : yo me voy, estuvo buena la partida vecc aimbot
Sin : vecc is a n*gger
DEAD Gaius TRADEIT.GG : vecc u stupid f*ggot
*DEAD* morningwood : vecc u succ
DEAD Don Casanova : vecc fuck off u brony shit
DEAD Don Casanova : vecc go outside
Don Casanova : 100k kills on a sniper
Don Casanova : get some sun
DEAD YOLO666 : I WAS AFK THE HOLE ROUND EATING A BOLE OF SERIAL
DEAD eyeslashx : that vecc guy is so annoying
DEAD The Ham Heister : jesus christ vecc do yo uhave anything better to do than spawn camping
DEAD Denshakari : he also plays sniper and goes out of his way to kill friendlies
DEAD GO KU : im sorry, 109k kills????????!?!!?!?!
DEAD Ether : the hell
Ether : vecc has wallhacks
Sex, Drugs, and Violence : vecc is hacker
*DEAD* Sex, Drugs, and Violence : VECC IS CHEATING YOU STUPID N*GGERS KICK HIM
Sex, Drugs, and Violence : RAGEA NIGAWERRE{R}AE{RIIGLUO*UH
JML6174 : i love you vecc
(TEAM) JML6174 : LOVE YOU VECC
William Murdoch : and now we'll never see him again
William Murdoch : goodbye forever vecc
(TEAM) JML6174 : praise vecc
DEAD William Murdoch : vecc if you're not good
William Murdoch : does that mean everyone under 90 points is bad
(TEAM) JML6174 : vecc is so modest too
(TEAM) JML6174 : it's okay vecc we all die sometimes
DEAD(TEAM) William Murdoch : kill their medics vecc
DEAD(TEAM) William Murdoch : and their soldiers
DEAD(TEAM) William Murdoch : and their heaviest
DEAD Kotori the Birb : in Vecc we're strong
Kotori the Birb : Vecc nice work mate
Kotori the Birb : youre really good
JML6174 : i love you vecc
MaverickRelic : vote kick vecc
GrandOldParty : red fu hacker
Andres_Vtx : kick vecc
jt040802 : yeah hes hacking
the HenriquexD : vecc no bind triggerbot plis
justsuperren : shut up vecc,u need hacks
DEAD TITTIES n BEER : BLU....YOU HAVE AN AIMBOTTING SNIPER
TITTIES n BEER : CAN YOU PLEASE KICK?
DEAD lotsa dosh : who is it
TITTIES n BEER : VECC
*DEAD* TITTIES n BEER : WELL, REPORTING VECC. BRB
Don Knuckles Slayer : another thing, vecc is just a gud sniper m8s
Don Knuckles Slayer : nothing of cheats
Don Knuckles Slayer : all clean bois
Don Knuckles Slayer : so stop the salt
[YaBoiKeithKrazy] : vec if ur so good at sniper why do u have a pocket up ur ass
DEAD YEET : im friendly vecc
RudolfPootisϟϟ : can someone help me report vecc?
DEAD the HenriquexD : vecc usa hack nooooooooooo
RudolfPootisϟϟ : turn off the aimbot plls
RudolfPootisϟϟ : !calladmin
The man with a pan : vecc doesn't hacccor
DEAD Mr paladin's nose : vecc is cheating
somewhat epic gamer : dear god the sniper (vecc) has gone mad with power someone needs to save this man from himself
Republican Brony : kick your aimbot etc
kurt binnder : Who?
arrowheads : who
Oni Witherfang : vecc
Alberta AAA beef : vecc your actually a fucking f*ggot go suck some dick
Alberta AAA beef left the game (Disconnect by user.)
*DEAD* diazjesus773 : kick that sniper
diazjesus773 : kick becc
diazjesus773 : kick vecc now
*DEAD* diazjesus773 : now vecc is a hacker now
diazjesus773 : yay we hate vecc he's hacking
im bitch : the homestucks
im bitch : specifically trad wife and bf
im bitch : all ik is bf is a baller sniper and tradwife is a fucking force to be recconed with
Evolve : wait hold up vecc
Evolve : why r u admin of a hacking steam group>
ฅ•ω•ฅ : kark is def cheating.
karkalicious : LOL
ฅ•ω•ฅ : doesnt mean shit
karkalicious : why are you mad
*DEAD* ฅ•ω•ฅ : because youre hacking.
Farty McPoopants : always a quintessential f*ggot sniper with glowing eyes
karkalicious : upset?
*DEAD* Theo : vecc more like vac
tilak565 : vecc more like has an attitude worse than the corona virus
wjohnsoniii : kick kark please. aim bot
THE_FISH : You need a hacker that badly to win?
Achtan : kys hacking n*gger
wjohnsoniii : PLEASE KICK KARKALICIOUS BLUETEAM
wjohnsoniii : Definitely an aim bot. hekeeps shooting without looking my direction
*DEAD* toastoastoast : aimbot
wjohnsoniii : its pretty clearwwwwwwwwwwww
wjohnsoniii : but its a bot you should kick. That's how this works
*DEAD* cameronhenderson2009 : hacker on blue
*DEAD* cameronhenderson2009 : or red i mean
pugly : who?
cameronhenderson2009 : kark
*DEAD* cameronhenderson2009 : plz kick him
*DEAD* htcbobmob900 : vecc aimbot
*DEAD* marionic194 : veec aimbot
*DEAD* htcbobmob900 : one a gen vecc hacking
htcbobmob900 : i have a intell core i7 but i cant use in becous i dont have thermale cream to put on it so it doseint over heat
Worst. 18k HRS. Ever. : vecc's a hacker.
vecc : ok
Worst. 18k HRS. Ever. : What are you talking about
Worst. 18k HRS. Ever. : He's shit for ah acker
Worst. 18k HRS. Ever. : Thats why i didnt call
*DEAD* nozippants : vecc your a god
*DEAD* Geckogod5 : matesprit is cheating
*DEAD* Ubiquitous : matesprit is hacking
NiiCH0 : at least i didnt waste my life getting 115,000 kills on sniper in tf2
omari : vecc why must you be so sexy/bashfull
omari : vecc + hacc?
*DEAD* Thank You Rick May : vecc is hacking
*DEAD* Thank You Rick May : he must be using aimbot
*DEAD* Thank You Rick May : what a CHEATER
capitalism : vecc hacking
*DEAD* capitalism : vecc hacking
*DEAD* capitalism : wallhacks
*DEAD* homestuck fanatic : lucky why are you upset :(
*DEAD* homestuck fanatic : is everything ok?
lucky4life : aumbot faggto
*DEAD* Riften Guard : Vecc shot me from behind a wall
*DEAD* rino : vecc and pugly pls stop fucking us in the ass so hard
albornholdtex : kick vecc pls
*DEAD* Frank bill john : nice walling vecc
*DEAD* FaZe Chungus : oh my god is that 11,300 kills or 113,000 kills on your rifle vecc
Frank bill john : yeah he hacks
TheOtherOtherLogan : vecc you are a genious
*DEAD* QuietCheese : nice aimboyt
*DEAD* QuietCheese : aimbot noob
*DEAD* QuietCheese : lol
vecc : ?
*DEAD* QuietCheese : aimbot plus no backstab hacks
*DEAD* QuietCheese : nice
Fe*DEAD* QuietCheese : nice anti backstab
QuietCheese : shit team plus anti backstab cheaters
QuietCheese : tf2 peak
Masterfish : i tink vecc may be lowkey cheestin
*DEAD* Masterfish : can you guys vkick vecc
*DEAD* Masterfish : VKICK VECC
*DEAD* turbotoilet2k : He is using aimbot
Sp00n: Savior of S0up [B-Day] : I like how their hacking sniper still can't beat vecc
*DEAD* the color of his underwear : vecc you're insane
N0rth666 : oh god that vecc is either good godly or aimbot
*DEAD* taryura : kick vecc
Yo Soy GrooT... : expultion to vacc
Guillote : kick a vecc
*DEAD* Guillote : ni apuntas pegas en la cabeza
*DEAD* Epicgamerguy547 : vecc has triggerbot
*DEAD* Edvin Mørk [fAkkEd] : can you kick Vec he is just to good
*DEAD* jim lahey : can u kick vecc hes cheating so hard
KirkLInguiniHoodiniTheCubone: Vecc I fucking despise you
baguette.mp4: you know vecc, i thought you were kinda cringe, but ive come to respect your mastery and manipulation of sniper and soldier
*DEAD* PurplePantaloons: vecc why are you tryharding?
*DEAD* JaH'RaKaL: damn you got auto aim toggle on and off or somethin
*DEAD* JaH'RaKaL: that snap was sus
freddy fazbear: vecc = cringe
pls kcik he probably using action replay pls kick he is hackerman 2049
Snake Hand: kick vecc
Snake Hand left the game
*DEAD* Demopan: what the fuck why does the sniper have +100000 kills on their sniper
Slowboop: vec how much fucking G-fuel do you consume an hour?
*DEAD* Booshy19: blue pls kick ur bots
claire éclair: who
*DEAD* engineer trolling: whats the other one
*DEAD* Booshy19: vecc
fopf_6: vecc please tell me I did not just see 125,000 kills on a sniper rifle
*DEAD* THENEWGAMERCB: wtf yecc stop spawn camipin
*DEAD* Kung Flu: kick vec
Kung Flu: *vecc
StarKunshu: y?
Kung Flu: cheating
Mama Luigi: vecc def doesnt touch grass
Mama Luigi: LMAO 12 THOUSAND KILLS ON YOUR RIFLE???? GET A FUCKING LIFE YOU LOSER
vecc: whya re you upset?
*DEAD* » ಠ_ಠ MTHellhound!: vecc is a tryhard confirmed
engineer gaming: vecc
engineer gaming: please man
engineer gaming: vecc
*DEAD* vecc: stop talking to me please its disgusting
(>w<): i think i dicoverd a new strate you hit some one with the fanowar and then thrrow a cleaver and the dmg is incredible
(>w<): its finda hard tho
*DEAD* StarKunshu: kick vecc he is a known hacker
*DEAD* TheGreenStove: vecc is a little sus
*DEAD* TheGreenStove: that was a quickscope but a little too fast
TheGreenStove: vecc is cheating 100%
Muri The Joker: Vecc is jsut good, I've killed them a good amount
A Preztel: vecc YOU HAVE 125848 kills on your sniper HOW
*DEAD* A Preztel: vecc is to gamer for me
McDonald's Assistant Manager: vecc turn off bad aimbot.exe
Hybr1d: vecc is bot
*DEAD* angel diary: kick vecc
*DEAD* angel diary: he saw me through a wall
PHOENIX: vecc?
PHOENIX: you good or cheating?
PHOENIX: keep an eye on vecc
*DEAD* Etzel: vecc is cheating
*DEAD* Etzel: if he stays kick him